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Poster: mdewdcreek Date: Apr 13, 2010 9:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60"s-90's Dead?

I am a dead head through and through. I love the 60's, 70's, and 80's equally (with the exception of the four year span of 85"-88" which was just ok in my book). I dont care for anything after 90" cuz I feel Vince killed most songs with his goofy circus sounding keys. I didn't go to my first dead show till 1980, so loving the 60's-70's has nothing to do with me actually being at the shows during those periods.
I can understand the 60's-70's only crowds reasons for not liked the 80's much (Jerry's voice, drug absuse taking its toll etc), though I do feel sorry for them missing out on SOME of the Deads greatest moments. The 80's only crowd, umm well I dont quite understand how you can not like those earlier periods, I mean it does have different kind od vibe to it, but still.....
I do not understand what there is to like about 91" and on. I guess if you like, or can get past the silly keyboards (and 91 had Hornsby which was cool), the boys did have their moments...
Is there any of you who are like me, or who love all periods?

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Apr 13, 2010 1:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

The below is my own rather pointless breakdown of my Dead era preferences. They've changed a LOT over the years, so who knows- maybe a decade from now I'll be a confirmed 90s freak.

1965-66 is strictly a curio. Fun to break out once or twice a year for historical reasons, but that's about it. Nothing wrong with this stuff, mind you, but they just haven’t “become” the GD yet.

1967-1974 is where its really at for me, with 1970 being the absolute apex to my ears. I would say over 60% of my Dead listening time is devoted to shows from these eight years. I have also been re-evaluating 1971 the last few months and must say I am finding more to enjoy in what I had always regarded as the weak sister of this period. I do find a very slight, almost imperceptable sleepiness creeping into some of the proceedings during ’73 and ’74, but they are still top notch and loaded with brilliant moments.

1975-1981 I don’t think the Dead were ever quite as good after the hiatus and Mickey’s return, but for a while at least they came pretty damn close. This is my second most listened-to period, though I find a gradually sloping off of quality level starting in mid 1978.

1982-1991 Call me an “Eighties Hatie” if you want to, but if I was going to make a presentation on how drugs can ultimately backfire on the creative process, 80s Dead would be Exhibit A. That said, I DO still think there are some worthwhile shows during this period- the problem is that, unlike the periods above, I feel like I have to wade through a whole bunch of shitty, sound-alike shows to get to them. ’89-early ‘91 was a short-lived, surprising rally.

1992-1995- okay, I'll admit it. I’ll bet I haven’t played a complete show from this period more than 10 times in the last 7-8 years. I refuse to apologize for whizzing all over these years, because quite frankly they suck, pure and simple. “Wave to the Wind”? “If the Shoe Fits”? “Samba in the Rain”? You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. “It’s All Too Much”? Now there’s an understatement. "Baba O'Riley"? WTF? The ’95 “Wharf Rat” debacle at Giants Stadium? A cry for help. I quit going to shows in mid ’91 because I felt the rally that had begun around early '89 had played itself out and things were about to take a turn for the worse. The tapes from ’92-’95 only make me glad I trusted my instincts.

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Apr 13, 2010 1:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

well almost all

my dead listening formula is 68>83//87>91-2// w/precedents in all other years

by lias rec listened to 93-06-23 lately and was blown away by tremendous terrapin. goes to show that u can find great pieces in any year - 65>95

however,
stone(d) age is my fav era

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 13, 2010 10:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

I would say that I pretty much love all periods, but not equally. I saw my first show in 1990, and while I don't think the 90's was in any way the band's best period, I do appreciate many of those shows, particularly in 90-91. Surely there is some bias at work there. I also think that Jerry's playing was surprisingly good in 93, though the clear tone is sometimes inappropriately employed. I rarely go to 94-95 though.

I wouldn't write off the whole period because of Vince, but I can understand feeling that way. There are plenty of shows where Vince's playing is either way down in the mix or tastefully understated.

Let the attacks begin..

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Apr 13, 2010 2:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

Interesting point about Vince possibly being down in the mix. I have a ton of gripes against Welnick and one of them was that he had zero contributions on certain songs (morning dew) Maybe he was just down in the mix. If you know of any good Vince contributions on that tune let me know. it's easy to rip the guy but if there is something out there that merits a listen I'm game (the 12-31-91 show is probably Vince's finest hour- in my opinion)

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 13, 2010 3:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

My point is that sometimes it was a good thing that he was down in the mix. Most of the complaints I have about Vince are the tones (which he didn't select, apparently) and mixes where he is way too loud and stepping on Jerry's solos. As for songs where he didn't contribute -- I didn't mind that so much.

My favorite Vince contributions are during shows where he's relatively restrained. The PITB from his first show is fantastic, and sounds very good. But he was spotty to be sure, and had the misfortune of taking a backseat to Hornsby for his first year. I'm not sure he ever really dug his way out of that hole.

This post was modified by snow_and_rain on 2010-04-13 22:09:19

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Apr 13, 2010 3:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

here's a gig where Weir asks for "more Vince" on Cold rain and Snow. Around the 9 minute mark of the track. Like Bobby said to the fans at Oxford Plains when the wanted Mickey to sing, "you can have it if you want it."

I think this version of CR&S backs your point about Vinny and echoes my thoughts. he has about 5 different sounds on this one song. Straight piano, piano with bells, synth. He's all over the place

http://www.archive.org/details/gd92-05-19.sbd.wiley.7856.sbefail.shnf

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 13, 2010 8:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

This one is an overall pretty good show for Vinny. Not like he does anything "WOW!", but nice accompaniment. I like him when he plays piano and organ, primarily.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1993-06-09.sbd.unknown.9457.shnf

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Apr 14, 2010 7:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

I'll check it out

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Poster: Longnstrange Date: Apr 13, 2010 1:52pm
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I dissagree with all of you. About everything.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Apr 14, 2010 11:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

Thanks for this one - got my delirious head laughin' pretty hard before bed last night.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Apr 13, 2010 11:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

I like the Dead 1968 through 1995. After 1980, the % that I enjoy gets smaller, but that is irrelevant, because nobody makes me listen to songs/shows that I don't like. There are some years where only 4 or 5 tunes appeal to me, but, again, that does not matter. 4 or 5 tunes is better than none, and I don't have to listen to the rest.

So yes, I like all periods.

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Poster: Fo' twenny Date: Apr 13, 2010 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

Love it all. Can certainly admit their jams were far superior in the 70's as opposed to the 90's but I can find beauty in even a '95 show.

Even love Vince. Keith is my favorite by far, but dug what Brent had to offer as well. As a piano player myself, I can't understand all the Vince bashing--the guy definitely had talent whether you liked his contributions or not.

The only thing about the Dead I can consistently complain about is Donna. I'm not gonna bash her or anything because in interviews I've read she seems like a good person, but I simply do not care for her vocals. But I can still listen to any show she was a part of because the songs themselves were outstanding, and their musicianship in the 70's was really outstanding.

I guess I'm one of the lucky ones to like all eras of GD, because that just means there is that much music out there to enjoy.

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Poster: mdewdcreek Date: Apr 13, 2010 5:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

""As a piano player myself, I can't understand all the Vince bashing--the guy definitely had talent whether you liked his contributions or not."

Well for me it begins and ends with Vince's sound, and his apparent lack of a good musical ear.
So many many times I've heard him ruin songs (for me anyway and DH friends of mine) soley based on the sounds coming from his keys. They so often didn't fit the music, or just sounded kind of goofy.
I wont even get started on his voice and his lead vocals on tunes like "Samba in the rain"

He very well may could have been the best pianist of all the Deads keyboardists,...and if that were the case, its a damn shame that he didnt just play piano, and at most sang backup on some tunes.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Apr 13, 2010 11:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

I don't really listen to the 90's unless I am extremely bored but I have enjoyed this show quite often in the past:

http://www.archive.org/details/1994-09-24.paf.sbd.zelner-vernon.14071.sbeok.flacf

Vince only plays piano{{{and none of his silly synth stuff (which I hear was actually the sound guy patching in at the board!!!)}}} and he really gives a nice sound to the acoustic band. Jerry's kind of in rough shape but the overall feel of the show is intimate and fun :)

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Poster: Jersey Greg Date: Apr 13, 2010 12:44pm
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I agree. There isn't a show I've listened to that I haven't found some nugget of gold in. I also agree on the Donna comment. I never thought her vocal really complemented the other singers... I also think that Hornsby was the best, even though he was never "official"...

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Apr 13, 2010 11:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

I can find something to like in all years
Like most everything though 79 .
Like the early 80's , but more in part .
Mid 80's I can still enjoy, but there is some stinky playing sometimes .
Like the late Brent, "comeback" period, but not as much as most do .
As has been said , the "Bruce" period has some great stuff .
The Vince only period, also has some hidden gems ( Day's Between, for example ) but I often make a "highlights" disc of a show , rather that get the whole thing ;
( do this for some lesser 80's shows also, but not as often).

I have learned to enjoy eras that I have previously given slight attention to, due mainly so of the posts here .

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Apr 13, 2010 11:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

I basically love almost all the years they played.

Least favorite: 65-67, 84-86, 91-95

Most favorite: 69, 72-79, 87, 88 & 90

gotta admit that I am one who has trouble listening to the Vince years - like others have mentioned, the keyboard sound was pretty bad and I am NO fan of his terrible voice and harmonies. Just a bad fit for the band - nothing against the dude. There are a few gems hidden within 91-95, but they are tough to find, and I generally do not even bother - certainly tough to find full shows that I would even want to listen to in their entirety.

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Poster: Shooting Dark Star Date: Apr 13, 2010 12:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

I am a fan of it all. The only periods that don't get hardly any playtime at my house are 85-86 and 92-95. Though for the last 6 months I have been stuck on 68-74. With so much to listen too, there's not many reasons to venture beyond what makes me smile. Insofar as the keyboard players go, I love Keith. I enjoyed Brent, especially bluesy Brent. When he cussed, ala Red Rooster, the house went nuts. Nothing got me off more than hot playing and a wild audience. First show 1987, and that particular show, Roanoke Virginia featured spectacular playing and a crowd that seemed to lick the same envelope as me. The "Bond" had begun!

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Poster: Agricola Date: Apr 13, 2010 3:51pm
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Yes! Of course, I do have preferences. I like the 70's and early 80's best, the 90's least. But I do like it all.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Apr 13, 2010 1:03pm
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I am, or was, a fan of all when I was going to the shows. Now that I'm an old fuck with a 16 yo son, I don't have the time to like everything. TOO MUCH MUSIC and TOO LITTLE TIME! So I tend to listen to what I like most. Call it a rut, but it's a rut a like.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Apr 13, 2010 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Ouch!!!

"Now that I'm an old fuck with a 16 yo son"

So for those of us who have a 22 year old son and a 24 year old daughter........

That makes some of the more austere members of the forum fossils.

And just for a reference point I guess we call William Tell "Methuselah"?

But getting back to the original question. For me '66-'79 works very well. I can find plenty to enjoy from '90-'95, along with some '80-'82.

But '83-'89 are the "Lost Years" and I have struggled to get any traction listening to that stuff. You'd think that I would have been conditioned to all that tinkling on the keys by Donna's caterwauling, but I digress.

This post was modified by Mandojammer on 2010-04-13 21:49:44

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 13, 2010 3:10pm
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"Now that I'm an old fuck with a 16 yo son"

OUCH! indeed

my daughter is 33 and my son will soon(Cinco de Mayo) turn 28

my grandson will be 12 in November

you know what that makes me in dog years...DEAD!

And just to keep this thread on track...

Yes, I like the period from 1965-1995. Do I love it all? NO, but I do like most of it. Can I find something enjoyable from any year...and even from any show? YES.



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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Apr 13, 2010 6:20pm
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No fair. I didn't start till I was 47. :)

Has it been established that William Tell is the Methuselah of the group?

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 13, 2010 7:39pm
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"Has it been established that William Tell is the Methuselah of the group?"

Do you remember the "let there be light" story? Tell flipped the switch.

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Poster: cush212 Date: Apr 15, 2010 9:23am
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What's a "Methuselah"???

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Poster: bbbrew Date: Apr 15, 2010 10:34am
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Biblicly, Methuselah was a real old Hebrew, 900 yrs old or so. Noah's grandpa.

More recently, its the name given to a Bristlecone Pine in the White Mountains of Ca.. The oldest, non-colony organism we currently know of. About 4,800 years old.

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Poster: cush212 Date: Apr 15, 2010 10:51am
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Thank you... I'm a little crusty, I mean rusty on bible stuff. I do like giving trees names, have named a few meself...

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Poster: bbbrew Date: Apr 15, 2010 10:58am
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Very cool. I live in the northern ca. redwoods and have a few favorites with names too. When you get confused, hug a Redwood.;)

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Apr 13, 2010 2:59pm
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Hey Mando, the TDIH from '83 isn't too bad

http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-04-13.sbd.sacks.1614.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Apr 13, 2010 3:06pm
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http://www.archive.org/details/gd1987-09-18.nak300.damico.90241.sbeok.flac16

try that one for a roarin good '87. One of the best second sets they EVER played (imho, of course)

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Poster: mdewdcreek Date: Apr 13, 2010 4:40pm
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I rarely listen to 87", but this is a one hell of a set"....they do some amazing jamming on several tunes...love the Bird Song and Terrapin!
Many Thanks!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Apr 14, 2010 6:58am
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glad you are enjoying it :) one of my favorite (if not actual favorite) Morning Dew's of all time - talk about depth of soul (and pain) in Jerry's ravaged voice - one of his finest moments

peace

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Apr 13, 2010 3:30pm
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Hey Dire, Apparently I was at the Garden a few nights later as I've got a stub for 9/20/87. I rarely listen to anything past '83 but may have to make an exception for MSG.

09/20/87
Madison Square Garden - New York City, NY

Set 1:
Jack Straw
West LA Fadeaway
My Brother Esau
Far From Me
It Must Have Been The Roses
Desolation Row
Might As Well
Promised Land

Set 2:
Hell In A Bucket
Iko Iko
Looks Like Rain
He's Gone
Drums
The Other One
Wharf Rat
Throwin' Stones
Not Fade Away

Encore:
Touch Of Grey
Brokedown Palace

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Apr 13, 2010 4:07pm
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that MSG run was pretty damn fine from the standpoint of these listening ears. I actually a tix for the 9/18 show (and the 20th if I remember correctly, but it might have been the 17th) but was unable to attend due to external circumstances. The concept of "kicking myself" still is very prevalent in this deadhead's thought process.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Apr 13, 2010 3:20pm
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Along with Jim's recommendation a few posts earlier and this one, looks like tomorrow's line-up is set.

Started listening to Jim's TDIH but I'm about done at the rock pile for the day so it becomes YDIH for tomorrow.

So far it doesn't suck.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 13, 2010 10:30am
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I guess you don't need to hear from me, but for completeness sake:

Love 65-71;
Occas foray til mid 70s for old time sake;
Nothing past 79;
My tour dates were 74-82.

(As so often pointed out, and summarized by you, my loss of interest in post 70s is due to loss of vocals (I get the "soul" factor though), inc wt gain/drug use/smoking, revolving kybd players, blah, blah, blah.

But, I defn do NOT hate those that find much to enjoy in post 70s! More power to them.

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Poster: cush212 Date: Apr 15, 2010 9:27am
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What's a "Methuselah"???

Want to hear this from the horses...mouth???

;)

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Apr 14, 2010 11:10pm
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"Love 65-71;
Occas foray til mid 70s for old time sake;
Nothing past 79"

Well, Mr Tell, show me a tasty Samba>Liberty>Samba sandwich from 1968 and I won't go past '79, either. Till then you'll find me in the south of "France", you old codger.

TOOTMO

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Poster: high flow Date: Apr 13, 2010 10:59am
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Whirlwind Dreamer 65-95!!!! He's never met a GD tape he doesn't love.

I can pretty much find the good in any era. For me, 93 and 95 are the hardest to love.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Apr 13, 2010 11:12pm
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I enjoy ALL periods... It's hard for me to say one era is better than another because a great show from the 80's is just as effective at putting a grin on my face as one from the 60's or 70's.

Granted, the percentage of great shows was much higher in 1968 - 1977.

Just for the sake of mentioning, I listened to the double encore from Soldier's Field 95 and actually found the music to be surprisingly good. Something very heart-felt about the delivery of these tunes...

Here's Jerry on how music feels to him... the first clip and the radio interview from '83 are very revealing about Jerry's changing attitudes towards his music!
http://deadheadland.com/2010/01/16/jerry-garcia-interview-collection-how-music-feels/